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Question 12991: A Zero-Mass Conditioning Event Still Has a Product Definition

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  1. Original question and givens
  2. Definition and scope
  3. Step-by-step derivation
  4. Reverse checks
  5. Result
  6. This question review and source binding

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R0024-12991 · q-20261014-advance-20261027-r06-event-independence-0091

Original question and givens

Use one complete finite probability model with aligned exact masses=[18/49, 24/49, 3/49, 4/49, 0/1] on Fin(5)={0,…,4}. Masses must be nonnegative and sum exactly to 1; do not assume uniformity. Events A=[2, 3], B=[4] are carrier-label sets, normalized by removing duplicates and sorting numerically. The primary definition is P(A∩B)=P(A)P(B); conditional formulas require positive conditioning probability. Only two-event independence is checked, not mutual independence of a larger family. Use exact reduced rational outputs with positive denominators; omit /1 for integers. Require P(B)=0, allowing a nonempty B of zero-mass outcomes. Give (P_A,P_B,P_intersection,product,independent?,conditional_defined?,conditional_probability_undefined_use_product_definition).

  • G001 — Use one complete finite probability model with aligned exact masses=[18/49, 24/49, 3/49, 4/49, 0/1] on Fin(5)={0,…,4}. Masses must be nonnegative and sum exactly to 1; do not assume uniformity. Events A=[2, 3], B=[4] are carrier-label sets, normalized by removing duplicates and sorting numerically. The primary definition is P(A∩B)=P(A)P(B); conditional formulas require positive conditioning probability. Only two-event independence is checked, not mutual independence of a larger family. Use exact reduced rational outputs with positive denominators; omit /1 for integers. Require P(B)=0, allowing a nonempty B of zero-mass outcomes. Give (P_A,P_B,P_intersection,product,independent?,conditional_defined?,conditional_probability_undefined_use_product_definition).

Definition and scope

Use the original question domain, assumptions and cited MKO definitions. This item has second-context mathematical and bilingual review, with the model, answer and every arithmetic step independently recomputed from the original parameters; the source question remains a candidate.

Step-by-step derivation

S001 · calculation

Before

event model whole mass total := sum(18/49, 24/49, 3/49, 4/49, 0)

After

event model whole mass total = 1

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from the original roles and complete established operands,without changing pairings,order or replacing guards by approximation.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001

S002 · implies

Before

complete carrier Fin(5);raw aligned masses=[[18, 49], [24, 49], [3, 49], [4, 49], [0, 1]]

After

normalized masses=[18/49, 24/49, 3/49, 4/49, 0];nonnegative=Yes;total=1

Conditions: none

Qualify one complete finite PMF with nonnegative atoms and exact total1.Zero-mass atoms remain in the carrier;complements are not taken only within positive-mass support.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: event_common_complete_probability_space · Uses: G001, S001

S003 · implies

Before

raw carrier events A=[2, 3];B=[4];carrier size=5

After

normalized A=[2, 3];B=[4];intersection=[]

Conditions: none

Events are carrier-index sets,normalized without dropping zero-mass labels.Intersection requires the same label in A and B.This differs from coordinate-value events in a joint table.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: event_carrier_label_sets_and_intersection · Uses: G001, S002

S004 · calculation

Before

A mass := sum(3/49, 4/49)

After

A mass = 1/7

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from the original roles and complete established operands,without changing pairings,order or replacing guards by approximation.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S003

S005 · calculation

Before

B mass := sum(0)

After

B mass = 0

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from the original roles and complete established operands,without changing pairings,order or replacing guards by approximation.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S004

S006 · calculation

Before

A intersection B mass := sum()

After

A intersection B mass = 0

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from the original roles and complete established operands,without changing pairings,order or replacing guards by approximation.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S005

S007 · calculation

Before

event product P_A times P_B := mul(1/7, 0)

After

event product P_A times P_B = 0

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from the original roles and complete established operands,without changing pairings,order or replacing guards by approximation.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S006

S008 · implies

Before

P_A=1/7;P_B=0;P_intersection=0;product=0

After

two-event independent=Yes

Conditions: none

The primary definition is intersection probability equal to the marginal product,not disjointness.Do not assume independence before multiplying.This checks two events,not mutual independence of a larger family.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: independence_primary_product_definition · Uses: G001, S007

S009 · implies

Before

P_B=0;A intersection B subset B;all atom masses nonnegative;P_A=1/7

After

0<=P_intersection<=P_B=0;product=0;independent=Yes;conditional ratio undefined

Conditions: none

Nonnegativity and inclusion force intersection mass0,so the product definition still gives independence.The elementary conditional ratio is0/0 and undefined:do not fill in0,cancel,or assume a nonempty B has positive mass.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: zero_conditioning_no_zero_division · Uses: G001, S008

Reverse checks

  • S009 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S008 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S007 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute event product P_A times P_B with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S006 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute A intersection B mass with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S005 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute B mass with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S004 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute A mass with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S003 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S002 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S001 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute event model whole mass total with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.

Result

(1/7, 0, 0, 0, Yes, No, conditional_probability_undefined_use_product_definition)

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Review date: 2026-10-26

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