# Question 14880: A Surjection Supplies the Reverse Comparison Only in This Finite Scope [Return to catalogue page 75](https://ocme.evemisslab.com/en/questions/page/75/) [← Question derivation index](https://ocme.evemisslab.com/en/questions/) · [Original question batch](https://ocme.evemisslab.com/en/practice/batch-20261014-advance-20261030-r05-cardinality-comparison-foundations/#q-20261014-advance-20261030-r05-cardinality-comparison-0030) This teaching derivation has second-context AI mathematical and bilingual semantic review, limited to the model and assumptions stated in this question. It has no human review or new Lean proof and does not promote the original question or MKO to Canonical truth. R0028-14880 · q-20261014-advance-20261030-r05-cardinality-comparison-0030 ## Original question and givens Use the complete finite source=[40, 41] and target=[140, 141, 142] as distinct-element lists in their original orders, with mapping=[140, 141] aligned to source order. A mapping must be total on that exact source and every image must belong to that exact target. Injectivity and surjectivity are independent mapping properties, not guesses from equal list lengths. The comparison certificates here are finite-only; no unrestricted infinite-set or choice conclusion is inferred. Give (source,target,mapping,surjective?,comparison,finite_only). comparison is |source|≥|target| when this mapping is surjective, otherwise no_comparison_certificate. - G001 — Use the complete finite source=[40, 41] and target=[140, 141, 142] as distinct-element lists in their original orders, with mapping=[140, 141] aligned to source order. A mapping must be total on that exact source and every image must belong to that exact target. Injectivity and surjectivity are independent mapping properties, not guesses from equal list lengths. The comparison certificates here are finite-only; no unrestricted infinite-set or choice conclusion is inferred. Give (source,target,mapping,surjective?,comparison,finite_only). comparison is |source|≥|target| when this mapping is surjective, otherwise no_comparison_certificate. ## Definition and scope Use the original question domain, assumptions and cited MKO definitions. This item has second-context mathematical and bilingual review, with the model, answer and every arithmetic step independently recomputed from the original parameters; the source question remains a candidate. - [mko-cardinality-comparison](https://ocme.evemisslab.com/en/mko/mko-cardinality-comparison/) ## Step-by-step derivation S001 · impliesBefore exact ordered source=[40, 41];exact ordered target=[140, 141, 142];aligned mapping=[140, 141] After total typed map on these distinct source/target lists;orders retained Conditions: none A supplied mapping binds distinct source/target lists in original order,with exactly one permitted image for each source element.Length comparison alone is not mapping qualification. Step identifiers and dependenciesRule: cardinality_exact_bound_total_mapping · Uses: G001 S002 · impliesBefore distinct source indices=[0, 1];source labels=[40, 41];images=[140, 141] After same image=No Conditions: none The source elements are distinct;compare images for every pair.An empty source is vacuously injective,without automatically being surjective. Step identifiers and dependenciesRule: cardinality_every_source_pair_collision_check · Uses: G001, S001 S003 · impliesBefore target label=140;exact original mapping=[140, 141] After preimage source indices=[0];covered=Yes Conditions: none Every target element needs a nonempty preimage for surjectivity.Record original source indices,not image-as-index values.Coverage of an empty target is vacuous,but total-map typedness still must qualify first. Step identifiers and dependenciesRule: cardinality_every_target_fiber_coverage · Uses: G001, S002 S004 · impliesBefore target label=141;exact original mapping=[140, 141] After preimage source indices=[1];covered=Yes Conditions: none Every target element needs a nonempty preimage for surjectivity.Record original source indices,not image-as-index values.Coverage of an empty target is vacuous,but total-map typedness still must qualify first. Step identifiers and dependenciesRule: cardinality_every_target_fiber_coverage · Uses: G001, S003 S005 · impliesBefore target label=142;exact original mapping=[140, 141] After preimage source indices=[];covered=No Conditions: none Every target element needs a nonempty preimage for surjectivity.Record original source indices,not image-as-index values.Coverage of an empty target is vacuous,but total-map typedness still must qualify first. Step identifiers and dependenciesRule: cardinality_every_target_fiber_coverage · Uses: G001, S004 S006 · impliesBefore surjective=No;source size=2;target size=3 After this mapping reverse comparison certificate=no_comparison_certificate;finite_only Conditions: none Target coverage and finite preimage selection support this comparison.No means this mapping supplied no certificate,not a denial of other set relations or an infinite version. Step identifiers and dependenciesRule: surjection_finite_scope_and_failure_certificate · Uses: G001, S005 ## Reverse checks - S006 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence. - S005 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence. - S004 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence. - S003 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence. - S002 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence. - S001 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence. ## Result ([40, 41], [140, 141, 142], [140, 141], No, no_comparison_certificate, finite_only) The full substitutions and premise checks give the original answer; source identity,format and status are unchanged. ## This question review and source binding Review date: 2026-10-26 Original questions, answers, step expressions, numeric ASTs and historical records are retained. Source candidate labels remain historical and are not overwritten as formal proof. Source hashes and review receipts - input commit: 0f7be61e2c22317a4075561dc822c87d881a50db - original question SHA-256: c5dc03060e7322041ae7a897575c2540b20de0c30ad1af3d27052697c5b3bbbb - candidate record SHA-256: 7784236acb32693de7cc8bd5a4a4f0b55e697c90b71424761534257001ad40cc - semantic review receipt SHA-256: bfea39236e49aa7e44aa18bfa0d7857ff34a6acb762d0599e20b0f5af0f209ae - question-first witness SHA-256: 61c433f5c1e55ed4d84d08557fb8c117d26bbd404fdf05519ad42c09324c36e0 - Lean: NOT_RUN · human review: NOT_PERFORMED [Same-source full JSON](https://ocme.evemisslab.com/data/question-derivations/questions/q-20261014-advance-20261030-r05-cardinality-comparison-0030.json)