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Question 17579: A Long Prefix Still Does Not Replace the All-n Tail

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  1. Original question and givens
  2. Definition and scope
  3. Step-by-step derivation
  4. Reverse checks
  5. Result
  6. This question review and source binding

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R0034-17579 · q-20261014-advance-20261103-r02-pointwise-convergence-of-functions-0079

Original question and givens

Use the same complete finite domain Fin(2)={0,…,1}, with aligned limit values=[3, 4], coefficients=[4, -5], positive shift=2, and f_n(x)=limit[x]+coefficients[x]/(n+shift) for every n≥0. Values and tail bounds are exact rationals. Pointwise witnesses may depend on both x and epsilon. A finite maximum of all pointwise witnesses gives a common witness only on this finite domain; it is not a general infinite-domain implication. A finite observed prefix alone is not a convergence certificate. prefix_length=4, beginning at n=0. Give (prefix_length,value_rows,sufficient?,finite_prefix_not_pointwise_convergence_certificate), with each row [point,values_in_n_order].

  • G001 — Use the same complete finite domain Fin(2)={0,…,1}, with aligned limit values=[3, 4], coefficients=[4, -5], positive shift=2, and f_n(x)=limit[x]+coefficients[x]/(n+shift) for every n≥0. Values and tail bounds are exact rationals. Pointwise witnesses may depend on both x and epsilon. A finite maximum of all pointwise witnesses gives a common witness only on this finite domain; it is not a general infinite-domain implication. A finite observed prefix alone is not a convergence certificate. prefix_length=4, beginning at n=0. Give (prefix_length,value_rows,sufficient?,finite_prefix_not_pointwise_convergence_certificate), with each row [point,values_in_n_order].

Definition and scope

Use the original question domain, assumptions and cited MKO definitions. This item has second-context mathematical and bilingual review, with the model, answer and every arithmetic step independently recomputed from the original parameters; the source question remains a candidate.

Step-by-step derivation

S001 · implies

Before

same COMPLETE finite domain Fin(2);original aligned limits=[3, 4];signed coefficients=[4, -5];positive shift=2

After

declared for EVERY n>=0:f_n(x)=limit[x]+coefficient[x]/(n+shift);signed error=f_n(x)-limit[x]=coefficient[x]/(n+shift)

Conditions: none

The complete common finite domain and all-n formula are declared premises,not extrapolated from samples.Function values and errors are not probabilities;they may be signed or exceed1.Do not clip or shift indices.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_explicit_common_domain_all_n_tail_not_probability · Uses: G001

S002 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index0 denominator := sum(0, 2)

After

finite prefix point0 index0 denominator = 2

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S001

S003 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index0 signed correction := div(4, 2)

After

finite prefix point0 index0 signed correction = 2

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S002

S004 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index0 function value := sum(3, 2)

After

finite prefix point0 index0 function value = 5

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S003

S005 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index0 reverse signed error := sub(5, 3)

After

finite prefix point0 index0 reverse signed error = 2

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S004

S006 · implies

Before

finite prefix point0 index0:original point=0;n=0;limit=3;signed coefficient=4

After

f_n(x)=5;f_n(x)-limit=2;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S005

S007 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index1 denominator := sum(1, 2)

After

finite prefix point0 index1 denominator = 3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S006

S008 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index1 signed correction := div(4, 3)

After

finite prefix point0 index1 signed correction = 4/3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S007

S009 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index1 function value := sum(3, 4/3)

After

finite prefix point0 index1 function value = 13/3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S008

S010 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index1 reverse signed error := sub(13/3, 3)

After

finite prefix point0 index1 reverse signed error = 4/3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S009

S011 · implies

Before

finite prefix point0 index1:original point=0;n=1;limit=3;signed coefficient=4

After

f_n(x)=13/3;f_n(x)-limit=4/3;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S010

S012 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index2 denominator := sum(2, 2)

After

finite prefix point0 index2 denominator = 4

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S011

S013 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index2 signed correction := div(4, 4)

After

finite prefix point0 index2 signed correction = 1

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S012

S014 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index2 function value := sum(3, 1)

After

finite prefix point0 index2 function value = 4

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S013

S015 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index2 reverse signed error := sub(4, 3)

After

finite prefix point0 index2 reverse signed error = 1

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S014

S016 · implies

Before

finite prefix point0 index2:original point=0;n=2;limit=3;signed coefficient=4

After

f_n(x)=4;f_n(x)-limit=1;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S015

S017 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index3 denominator := sum(3, 2)

After

finite prefix point0 index3 denominator = 5

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S016

S018 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index3 signed correction := div(4, 5)

After

finite prefix point0 index3 signed correction = 4/5

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S017

S019 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index3 function value := sum(3, 4/5)

After

finite prefix point0 index3 function value = 19/5

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S018

S020 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point0 index3 reverse signed error := sub(19/5, 3)

After

finite prefix point0 index3 reverse signed error = 4/5

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S019

S021 · implies

Before

finite prefix point0 index3:original point=0;n=3;limit=3;signed coefficient=4

After

f_n(x)=19/5;f_n(x)-limit=4/5;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S020

S022 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index0 denominator := sum(0, 2)

After

finite prefix point1 index0 denominator = 2

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S021

S023 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index0 signed correction := div(-5, 2)

After

finite prefix point1 index0 signed correction = -5/2

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S022

S024 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index0 function value := sum(4, -5/2)

After

finite prefix point1 index0 function value = 3/2

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S023

S025 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index0 reverse signed error := sub(3/2, 4)

After

finite prefix point1 index0 reverse signed error = -5/2

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S024

S026 · implies

Before

finite prefix point1 index0:original point=1;n=0;limit=4;signed coefficient=-5

After

f_n(x)=3/2;f_n(x)-limit=-5/2;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S025

S027 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index1 denominator := sum(1, 2)

After

finite prefix point1 index1 denominator = 3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S026

S028 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index1 signed correction := div(-5, 3)

After

finite prefix point1 index1 signed correction = -5/3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S027

S029 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index1 function value := sum(4, -5/3)

After

finite prefix point1 index1 function value = 7/3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S028

S030 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index1 reverse signed error := sub(7/3, 4)

After

finite prefix point1 index1 reverse signed error = -5/3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S029

S031 · implies

Before

finite prefix point1 index1:original point=1;n=1;limit=4;signed coefficient=-5

After

f_n(x)=7/3;f_n(x)-limit=-5/3;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S030

S032 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index2 denominator := sum(2, 2)

After

finite prefix point1 index2 denominator = 4

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S031

S033 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index2 signed correction := div(-5, 4)

After

finite prefix point1 index2 signed correction = -5/4

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S032

S034 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index2 function value := sum(4, -5/4)

After

finite prefix point1 index2 function value = 11/4

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S033

S035 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index2 reverse signed error := sub(11/4, 4)

After

finite prefix point1 index2 reverse signed error = -5/4

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S034

S036 · implies

Before

finite prefix point1 index2:original point=1;n=2;limit=4;signed coefficient=-5

After

f_n(x)=11/4;f_n(x)-limit=-5/4;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S035

S037 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index3 denominator := sum(3, 2)

After

finite prefix point1 index3 denominator = 5

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S036

S038 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index3 signed correction := div(-5, 5)

After

finite prefix point1 index3 signed correction = -1

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S037

S039 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index3 function value := sum(4, -1)

After

finite prefix point1 index3 function value = 3

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S038

S040 · calculation

Before

finite prefix point1 index3 reverse signed error := sub(3, 4)

After

finite prefix point1 index3 reverse signed error = -1

Conditions: none

Compute exactly from original roles and established intermediates,retaining denominators,signs,indices and strict conditions.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: exact_rational_arithmetic · Uses: G001, S039

S041 · implies

Before

finite prefix point1 index3:original point=1;n=3;limit=4;signed coefficient=-5

After

f_n(x)=3;f_n(x)-limit=-1;this error field remains SIGNED

Conditions: none

Add the correction to the limit,then subtract the limit to reverse-check the error.Keep the evaluate field signed;only the epsilon bound uses absolute value.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_selected_value_reverse_error_not_absolute_value · Uses: G001, S040

S042 · implies

Before

finite observed length=4;complete domain-order rows=[[0, [5, 13/3, 4, 19/5]], [1, [3/2, 7/3, 11/4, 3]]]

After

prefix-alone sufficiency=No;finite_prefix_not_pointwise_convergence_certificate

Conditions: none

This No limits inference from the finite prefix alone,not the separate declared all-n formula.A pointwise witness may depend on x and epsilon and must cover every later n.

Step identifiers and dependencies

Rule: pointwise_finite_prefix_no_not_declared_model_failure · Uses: G001, S041

Reverse checks

  • S042 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S041 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S040 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index3 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S039 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index3 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S038 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index3 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S037 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index3 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S036 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S035 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index2 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S034 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index2 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S033 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index2 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S032 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index2 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S031 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S030 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index1 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S029 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index1 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S028 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index1 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S027 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index1 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S026 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S025 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index0 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S024 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index0 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S023 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index0 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S022 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point1 index0 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S021 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S020 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index3 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S019 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index3 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S018 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index3 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S017 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index3 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S016 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S015 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index2 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S014 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index2 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S013 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index2 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S012 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index2 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S011 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S010 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index1 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S009 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index1 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S008 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index1 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S007 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index1 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S006 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.
  • S005 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index0 reverse signed error with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S004 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index0 function value with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S003 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index0 signed correction with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S002 · premise_and_result_audit — Recompute finite prefix point0 index0 denominator with exact rational arithmetic, not rounded decimals.
  • S001 · premise_and_result_audit — Check against the original data and this step's premises; a one-way implication is not an equivalence.

Result

(4, [[0, [5, 13/3, 4, 19/5]], [1, [3/2, 7/3, 11/4, 3]]], No, finite_prefix_not_pointwise_convergence_certificate)

The full substitutions and premise checks give the original answer; source identity,format and status are unchanged.

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